Comments on Malaysia Waves: Haris Ibrahim’s Barking Up the Wrong Tree pt 2

MY REPLY: I have also provided my rebutal to your ...

2008-06-21T22:38:00.000+08:00

MY REPLY: I have also provided my rebutal to your claim and proved to you that there is nothing humane about Haris's interpretation.
to disrespect God is never a humane thing to do.
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Note my intent of using the word 'humane' was with reference to other humans and animals.

Humane: 1. characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, esp. for the suffering or distressed: humane treatment of horses.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humane

Your omnipotent and omniscient god (assuming he exists) do not need humane treatment or attitude from humans.

You had wrongly thought you could be humane to god, then you'll get a his consent to act inhuman to others.

Btw, being humane and exercising empathy for others is a distinct trait of humans with higher degrees of spirituality.

It can come from anyone who had the necessary neural and psychological state.
Those who have this ability will naturally express 2:54 in the metaphorical perspective in accordance to their higher level of spiritual consciousness. These wiser people can be Ahmadiya, Buddhist, Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Christians, etc.

Thus those with higher spiritual will interpret god's word positively and act humanely. This is one ultimately act of respect, i.e. by doing good work in god's name.

It is only those with lower level of kindergarten spirituality that are likely to interpret 2:54 in the barbaric sense of killing humans as a penalty for a change of their religious belief.

If you act inhumanely or like a barbarian after reading and interpretating god's word, that is real disrespect to god and in addition you are also disgracing your god by your thoughts and act.

It is like somebody who is KA and people will blame the parent's teaching.

The default teachings of god must be humane and humans (individual and groups) must act humane, so that they do not tarnish god's name in the eyes of others.

Kopi O Tarik said...
The Quran has many meanin...

2008-06-21T17:37:00.000+08:00

Kopi O Tarik said...
The Quran has many meanings & different meanings for nearly everyone...

So, it is you whom are behaving like a nutter with all these radical posts.

MY REPLY: Actually no, the Quran has only one meaning, of which we cannot change as we wish.

Human Beings says:

"I had given my comments...

2008-06-21T17:33:00.000+08:00

Human Beings says:

"I had given my comments in other threads in your blog and justified why 2:54 should be viewed either on time/cultural based or metaphorically, with heavy doses of empathy and in a humane manner."

MY REPLY: I have also provided my rebutal to your claim and proved t you that there is nothing humane about Haris's interpretation.

to disrespect God is never a humane thing to do.

The Quran has many meanings & different meanin...

2008-06-21T16:05:00.000+08:00

The Quran has many meanings & different meanings for nearly everyone...

So, it is you whom are behaving like a nutter with all these radical posts.

''In conclusion, Haris sources are at best unrelia...

2008-06-21T13:11:00.000+08:00

''In conclusion, Haris sources are at best unreliable. Considering Haris is changing the meaning of the Quran, Haris will need to bring a source that is MORE THAN IRON CLAD.

Otherwise, it only proves that secular liberalists will do anything to support their ideology even up to the point of changing the meaning of the Quran, which Allah has condemned in 02:78-79 as follows:
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There are two valid approaches in interpretation 2:54, i.e.

1. Time/cultural based
2. Metaphorically

If (1), then the deterrent must change with time and age. Death for apostasy is inhuman and abhorminal for our current age.

Haris's is viewing 2:54 from the metaphorically perspective (i prefer this) which is more effective and truly representive of mechanism of the human spiritual process.

From the neuro-psychological POV, there is a actually a mental 'terrorist' i.e. TMT & CD in the human psyche that is driving them to resort to all sort of beliefs (good and bad) to soothe the associated psychological pains from the fear of internal terror.

Wise and holy of the old will usually advise a person to 'kill' that 'terrorist' in oneself to effect spiritual progress in oneself.

Science is already developing along the path that one day we will be able to track the neural wirings inside our brain of the human spiritual process. It is possible to track the spiritual progress and show neural pattern of how one (higher) kill oneself(lower) inside the brain using FMRI.

In the spiritual sense, "kill" would mean "contra off" by inhibiting and controlling the lower self, not physical destruction of the neurons.

The Bhagavad Gita used the "kill" metaphor to denote spiritual progress by killing one's lower self.

Even in the Bible, note,

,i/>SAB, 1 Corinthians 1515:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our LORD, I ,b/die daily,/b>.,/i>

Do you think St. Paul asked Christians to commit suicide daily?

Frankly, it is your under-developed spirituality that is confining you to the barbaric perspective of humanity.

If you develop the correct spiritual neural network in your higher cortical brain which can be proven with FMRI images, i am sure you will think more humanely.

I can understand clearly that Harris Ibrahim is in...

2008-06-21T12:36:00.000+08:00

I can understand clearly that Harris Ibrahim is interpretating 2:54 in human terms toward the progress of humanity, while you are clasping to 2:54 via inhuman instincts that is driven by internal psychological terror, i.e.(TMT).

I had given my comments in other threads in your blog and justified why 2:54 should be viewed either on time/cultural based or metaphorically, with heavy doses of empathy and in a humane manner.

2:54 was related to Moses, but it is noted that Christianity had overriden the OT with the more humane NT. As a sign of progress, all Christian sect had done away with death for apostasy. On the other hand, you are still stuck with such barbaric intent in our modern age.

You must search your conscience and ask how someone educated like you could advocate the killing of another human being for merely changing their mind on religious belief.

One question; if your whole family and relatives are Muslim and all (except you) opted for apostasy, would you recommend that they all be killed in accordance to your interpretation of 2:54?

Frankly if one were to keep inculcating such psychopathic thoughts in one's mind, it could effect one's mental stability in the long run.

Be more human and more humane for humanity sake.