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dear all. this is very rules of islam were the sam...

2009-10-03T15:14:53.405+08:00

dear all.
this is very rules of islam were the same from the earlier propohets times and that time also the women were oppressed by other religions.
so the creator is the malik the owner of all human beings at all times because they belong to him and he knows to safeguard them when ever the infidels tried to harm their identity.
a woman supposed to come immidietelt to the husband when he nedds her is also vise versa and when she nedds him-but her case is mentioned in psrticular is because man goes out on business for her livelihood if the refusal at home continues it will harnm her own snctity-as man is weak and want to drink house tea when wife refuses to give he can get the outside tea when he is outside so the addict must fed at home rather than the outside evil world.Allah knows his plan and creation-people talk from their koli[fowl brain]knowledge.

Dear TB aka RC aka RT,

PLEASE REPLY TO THE ...

2008-08-20T18:13:00.000+08:00

Dear TB aka RC aka RT,

PLEASE REPLY TO THE VERY "PROGRESSIVE WOMAN" (Must be from SIS or other anti-hadith & women's lib) THAT RESPOND TO YOUR ARTCLE. I need your reply as a source for my knowledge.

Thanks.

alrite

another question to answer

2008-08-14T15:31:00.000+08:00
alrite

another question to answer

some had questioned the "EDAH" - or in another word (waiting or grieving period)
when a wife had lost his husband (died)

the reason is to allow the wife to have time to grieve...or mentally accept the fact that her husband had died

take an example...does a women enjoy her husband died?

yup..she enjoyed it if she is the one who killed her husband or she has another affair with some guy....don't u think?

from Islam point of view...it is a period where the wife should concentrate on the family...managing the funeral ceremony...contacting all relatives and friends bout the news...and planning for future plans along with her kids..

not jumping in and say "HEY, I WANNA GET MARRIED AGAIN!!!" the next day of the husband's death

must be something fishy going on

hahaha

then again if the wife has not been slept by her husband and her husband happened to divorce her - she could get married even in the next day...the waiting of at least three times of period cycle are to make sure the (rahim) or the breeding system of the woman is clean from another man's sperm...to avoid future problems of (who's kid is this?) - you get what i mean in the west...........

it is perfect

because if a wife still having period...it means that no sperms had combined with the ovum of the wife...

if a wife stopped having period and had a divorce...she needs to give bith first before getting married agian...to make sure that there is no arguments on whose child is in the womb...

and the woman cant even cheat a guy saying that the kid is his - though it belongs to other guy!

its good news for everyone!

SoA

to understand and to judge is 2 different matter
2008-08-14T15:19:00.000+08:00
to understand and to judge is 2 different matter

where Islam in theory is the purest of all; bringing peace to all people, regardless of their fatih nor races

to judge Islam based on what "some" muslims did (in this context) cannot be an evidence to judge Islam as a whole

The syariah law or so said the laws abiding to the Only God and the prophet, puts balance in politics economiy and socials.

It is always "up to date" (if u wish to called it so)
because in Islam, there are "Jumhur Ulama'" where a group of leaders (spiritual) makes laws based on certain conduct that occurs today but NOT specifically mentioned in quran nor the sunnah (The Prophets teachings)

I used "not specifically mentioned meant" because the quran is perfected, concludes all "kitab" before it (such as bible), and only by then the Prophet rest in peace (gone from the world to meet The Creator)

The Prohet gives out sunnah "still" based on quran - but with futher explanation on cases that occur so that the ummah would understand

and so, in this modern times...though it it decades after the era of the Prophet, syariah law is still suitable and most promising for a better future

HOW?

it allows better judgement for everyone, men or women

if you have no intention to learn...then do not judge.

one comments above saying that a husband has left his wife for 6 months..getting married to another women (which is not a sin in Islam)

okay. the 6 months part. in Islam, it is clearly stated that if a husband recklessly neglect his duty to his wife - be it in physical conduct (money, shelters etc) or spriritual (sexual desires, love)therefore, the wife may asked for a divorce from the shariah judge

even if a husband has gone lost for more than 4 month, w/out any news. then the wife is also allowed to ask for a divorce - becoz it is a tocher to the wife to continue living with a husband that has not carried out his duty to his wife.

and so...where is the weakness of syariah law?

SoA

Sharkpitt says:

" i think you should wat...

2008-06-24T06:47:00.000+08:00

Sharkpitt says:

" i think you should watch BBC's coverage on shariah and its implementation.case study was in nigeria.the impact on the community was immensely positive.and no,there were no taliban or al-qaeda involved.

shafik
June 23, 2008 12:16 AM "

MY REPLY: Can u cite the name of the BBC documentary? WHere can I get it?

Dear Anonymous,

Allow me to expose just one...

2008-06-23T13:05:00.000+08:00

Dear Anonymous,

Allow me to expose just one example you quoted:

"
II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will...

Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam are referred to as fields that are to be cultivated by man. What an honour for a Muslim woman! "

MY REPLY: The entire verse was never meant to be taken literally. The meaning behind the verse is meant to be understood methaporically.

Whomsoever takes the literal meaning of this particular verse signifies his/her ignorance of the Quran.

Dear Jed Yoong,

Don't thank me, thank Noah ...

2008-06-23T12:48:00.000+08:00

Dear Jed Yoong,

Don't thank me, thank Noah Feldman. He's the one who wrote the article.

And you're right. Pakistani has a cultural problem of oppressing women.

Not only Pakistanis, even Indians too, whom are not Muslims.

anon June 23, 7.21am

I have chanced upon th...

2008-06-23T08:59:00.000+08:00

anon June 23, 7.21am

I have chanced upon the website recently. The first verse it qouted was about a woman being filthy such that when a man comes into contact with her, he must go to high ground and use dust to clean himself. I just could not stop laughing. So I took out the Quran and read that verse in Chapter 2. The verse in the Quran was describing that after sexual intercourse, one must perform "mandi janabah" before engaging in any act of worship. If there is no water available (as was often the case when one is travelling in the desert 1,400 yrs ago), then one is allowed to use clean dust to apply to certain parts of the body as a symbolic abulation.

After that I stopped reading the web page coz I know their intent is to distort Islam. Learning Islam (or any other religion) is never suffcient thru reading alone. We need to have a guru, murshid, mentor, etc.

If teh tulang is besi, i think the urat is dawai.

I did not composed the following.
ut I ask you ...

2008-06-23T07:21:00.000+08:00

I did not composed the following.
ut I ask you Tulang Besi..

When this is how one religion looks at a woman and her rights, how would you expect justice in the system?I have heard our Ustads in school preaching the same. The Muslim women have been told that they are all these and have to live by the rules...God's will mar....
Log into the web site and you will see this article and many more.
Be enlightened:http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Wondrous Treatment Of Women In Islam
T he purpose of this article is to show how the barbaric nature of Islam manifests itself in the cruel treatment of women.
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Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the following verses from Quran and Hadiths.

Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women

II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will...

Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam are referred to as fields that are to be cultivated by man. What an honour for a Muslim woman!

IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

First point to notice here is that Quran clearly states that Men are superior to women. Secondly, Islam instructs that a man should control his women through brutal violence and fear.

IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them.

IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.

As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all merciful Allah.

XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...

Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.

Quotes from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS
If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)

It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)

A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father

A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)

She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)

A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)

If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)

If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)

The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)

A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440)
On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.

Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)

If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)

Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)

A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practise birth control either.

Quotes From Sahih Muslim Hadith
Chapter 540.The prophet said that he saw a woman coming and going in the shape of a devil and she fascinated him. So he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning leather and had sexual intercourse with her. That drove out what he felt in his heart.

Chapter 558. The prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased with her until the husband is pleased with her.

Chpater 576. The prophet said :"Woman has been created from a rib, and will in no way be straightened for you."

Anwar Shaikh , the author of Islam: An Arab National Movement says:
"It shows the basic doctrine of Islam about womanhood, that is, she is basically crooked, and man has the right to keep her under his constant vigil; she must never be left alone."

In fact, another hadith expresses woman's position bluntly:

"I have not left any calamity more
hurtful to man than woman."
Chapter 619: Selling a cat, selling a dog (unless it is a working dog), and earning of prostitutes(unless they are non-muslims),... are all forbidden.

This verse encourages the Muslim invaders to convert women of other faith into prostitutes for their own enjoyment as prostitution by non-muslims is NOT forbidden. We can see plenty of examples of this throughout history, especially Indian history.

Chapter 1140: The prophet said : "The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women."

So Islam considers most of the women are evil in nature and they end up in hell.

Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."

The next three verses are related to each other.

Malik 364:1234 If a woman suckles a baby, she becomes its foster mother and her husband a foster father. If a man has two wives, and one suckles a boy the other a girl, the boy can not marry the girl as the foster father of each is the same.

The next verse contradicts the previous one.

Malik 364:1239 The rule pertaining to foster relationship only applies to children under 2 years. Thus (Malik 365:1243) a grown up man fed with the milk of a woman does not entail fostership.

Read the next verse carefully.

Malik 365:1245 A man said, "My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?" Omar said "Punish your wife and go into your slave girl".

What more can I say about these golden verses from the "Holy" Quran and the enlightening Hadiths-- guidelines for every true Muslim!

Gazzali, the renowned Islamic thinker summed up the 18 pains that had been visited on Muslim women as a punishment for Eve's transgression in paradise. The list eloquently shows the position of women in Islam and how the social customs were backed up by Islam. Here Islam goes to the extent of saying that even pregnancy and childbirth are punishments from God. Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah!!!

The 18 punishments are:

Menstruation
Childbirth
Separation from father and mother and marriage to a stranger
Pregnancy
Not having control over her own person
A lesser share in inheritance.
Her liability to be divorced and inability to divorce.
It being lawful for man to have 4 wives but for a woman to have only 1 husband.
The fact that she must stay secluded in the house
The fact that she must keep her head covered inside the house.
The fact that 2 women's testimonies have to be set against the testimony of one man.
The fact that she must not go out of the house unless accompanied by a near relative.
The fact that men take part in Friday and feast day funerals while women do not.
Disqualification for rulership and judgeship.
The fact that merit has 100 components, only one of which is attributable to women while 999 are attributed to men.
The fact that if women are profligate they will be given only half as much torment as the rest of the community at the ressurection day.
The fact that if their husbands die they must observe a waiting period of 4 months and 10 days before they remarry.
The fact that if their husbands divorce them , they must observe a waiting period of 3 months or 3 menstrual periods before remarrying.
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This is only a handful of facts that states the true nature of Islam.

Note: Works of A. Ghosh, Robert E. Burns, and Anwar Shaikh have been used to compose this article.

good article -- educational. ;)

tks for sha...

2008-06-23T03:29:00.000+08:00

good article -- educational. ;)

tks for sharing.

anon 1.23am, I believe pakistanis are also influenced by the Hindu caste system despite being Muslims. hence, women are particularly oppressed?

I guess we can draw parallels to single 'secular' teenage mothers leaving their babies to die 'cos she was was high on heroin and passed out for a few days. There are many cases of decomposing babies found because of this reason.

Wrong or right? No such thing-lah. ;)

That same BBC also showed case studies in the UK. ...

2008-06-23T01:23:00.000+08:00

That same BBC also showed case studies in the UK. Mostly they left no solution to the problem. British Muslims practice on their own syariah laws having volunteers.
The women were letf hurt and without any solution..The man marry another woman while the wife has 2 kids. He says he has no love for her and family arranged marriage for him.
A for the woman..she has to suffer while he goes off to pakistan on 6-8 months holiday and may be come back as and when he wishes. All this was with his family's approval...so to make him happy.
I did not see any one asking about the wifes unhappiness.Its a man's world..the syriah. U cannot find justce for women. Don't speak on behalf of woman saying women got no problems. Do an anonymous survey without threating them that they will go to hell for forsaking God made law etc etc (if u had the balls!!!).
Then u will find out.
Come on there are also news saying how great Osama bin laden is and how great Bush is etc ect..so what.Every one has their own opinion. Its all matter of opinion and which side ur brain is skiewed to.
Shut up and stop trying to convince me about the greatness of syariah law.Bloody fanatics!

Anti syariah

i think you should watch BBC's coverage on shariah...

2008-06-23T00:16:00.000+08:00

i think you should watch BBC's coverage on shariah and its implementation.case study was in nigeria.the impact on the community was immensely positive.and no,there were no taliban or al-qaeda involved.

shafik

SHUT UP! THOSE SEXIST, SADIST AND NAZIS MALE JUDGE...

2008-06-22T22:47:00.000+08:00

SHUT UP! THOSE SEXIST, SADIST AND NAZIS MALE JUDGES AND LAWYERS AND MULLAHS ARE SUCH EVIL *****!!! TALIBAN/AL-QAEDA THINKING CAVEMEN SHOULD STAY IN THE CAVES WHERE THEY BELONG!

NOOR AZA OTHMAN,
LIBERAL-FEMINIST MALAY WOMAN!

Comments on Malaysia Waves: "Islamic Shariah offered the most liberal and huma...

dear all. this is very rules of islam were the sam...

Dear TB aka RC aka RT,PLEASE REPLY TO THE ...

Sharkpitt says:" i think you should wat...

Dear Anonymous,Allow me to expose just one...

Dear Jed Yoong,Don't thank me, thank Noah ...

anon June 23, 7.21amI have chanced upon th...

I did not composed the following.ut I ask you ...

good article -- educational. ;)tks for sha...